down a president indirectly, and that statement was a bad statement to have been made, and it's proven to be false. >> which statement was that? >> the paula jones in the deposition, which really started this. >> when he denied it, if you're in a hole stop digging? you walk away and say i'm not going to deal. i'm going to drop this line? >> i think the speech after was a disaster. it wasn't the right tone. i'm not sure he should have done it. i'm not sure he shouldn't have just taken the fifth amendment and said i don't get along with this man star. he's a republican and after me. and taken the fifth amendment. it's a terrible thing for a president to take the fifth amendment, but he probably should have done it. i don't think he could have done any worse than what's happened. it's an embarrassment to him. i see him walking around, it's a terrible embarrassment. >> is he going up or down? >> i think the best he can do is tread water for two years. i think he can tread and maybe keep the office and just tread and get out as opposed to nixon