>> yeah. i mean, glen da, one of the sort of glaring things that came out of the dnc race not only that tom perez won and he was the establishment choice, he was the person that the sort of writ large establishment preferred and of course he won. but also black women did not wind up in the leadership at least that we could see. they're saying they have a c.o.o. i think who's a black woman. but the key staff positions did not go to black women. do you get the sense that the party understands that that might have been a mistake? >> well, i have to say one, you know, we thank the chairman for sitting down. i mean, literally, joy ann, women who signed that letter from across the country came to the meeting to show the importance. women flew from california, from mississippi. 31 black women signed that letter. 24 of them attended the meeting about the sense of urgency. so he is fairly new into leadership. this is the first time in decades that we've had this much change in leadership at the top