and they are acting as if there was some way they could have won when this they, to jason's point, are paying sole attention to flipping white voters who are republicans. >> right. and so you know where i stand on this, joy. you know we had this conversation many times. i am a big believer in, if you cannot maximize turnout which jon ossoff did, i don't want to -- but if you cannot maximize fully turnout among your own people, then it is pointless to then -- if you can't convince the people who are already ideologically, primarily aligned with you, and just may not be motivated to vote, you're going to have a heck of a time trying to convince people who are not predisposed to your position. so i do think that the thing the democrats need to focus on in my mind is massive voter registration and i think that let the outside groups do what what they do but you need have your campaign need as process for that as well. voter suppression is still an