seven years has been 1 to 1.5%. maybe some years, a little over that but not much. that is the other thing that has to change. you have to have growth of the economy of this country or we're stuck. we're mired in this stagnation and we'll never see the light of day. >> i always appreciate you coming. on let's keep doing this, congressman. i appreciate it. i will joined now by the senior correspondent, and josh earnest, former white house press secretary under president obama. i really do feel like they're being dishonest about what's going on in medicaid. it is true. the program will continue to expand. but it is a cut because there will be less money. i'm not crazy. >> you are not crazy. it is definitely a cut. and i think it is a cut because a lot less people will be getting medicaid benefits. one of the key numbers from the last cbo report is that 14 million americans will no long he have medicaid. if you want to know about the cut, who is covered under the program. with the big changes being