great man himself, and he was great, he would always keep a manila folder here and wait well into the interview and just open it up and say, you said, let's take a look it, and go to the tapes. and it doesn't seem to matter anymore, guys. you can say that newt is speaking is with a forked tongue. it doesn't seem to matter. you can say a president can't obstruct justice, he just said he could. but doesn't anything hold true for more than a couple of minutes anymore? >> well, it may be true that newt gingrich isn't held to account for these conflicting statements, but the fact is that we have a legal system that is to some degree impervious to this political debate. and i think that's what a lot of people are counting on, that there's going to be the special counsel is going to investigate. it's going to find what it's going to find. and we'll see what it is. and some of this political debate is either irrelevant or even harmful to the president's case. there are cases when the president -- >> will it matter in a course of justice and a house of representatives if an impeachment proceeding begins in the house judiciary committee and they're presented with this kind of evidence of dishonesty? does it matter that trump has