necessarily means you're expecting litigation but it also means you're not expecting nothing, right? >> he's got a lawyer already. >> he has jeremy gorelick from the same firm that bob mueller worked for so, there is a feeling among kushner and his associates that's what's going on around the country connection will not sit very well with president trump. the other issue i think is abbe lowell is generally rared as the shark in the tank with the sharpest teeth. he has done a ton of these cases. he started off, first gained fame as being minority counsel during the impeachment hearing, sort of fighting for bill clinton. he's represented jack abramoff. if you're going to go for somebody, abilow sell the guy to go for. >> talk about everybody in the white house lawyering up, though. mark cass was telling them a while ago, you don't need to, now it seems they all do. what is going on and who pays these big bills? >> a great question.