whether or not the firing was obstruction. >> i don't think at all. may be one piece in the puzzle that could lead up and add up to obstruction, but i still stay with the fact that he's allowed to fire who he wants to fire. i don't think it rises to the level of corrupt intent. not at this point. i think there's a lot of other falk stories look at. >> what in he also fired mueller. there were headlines this week about donald trump allegedly considering maybe even firing mueller or ordering rosenstein to fire mueller. >> again, one more piece of the puzzle. other things to look at. there's no independent evidence at this point that he has the corrupt intent to actually obstruct justice. >> paul butler, i know you disagree with that. >> joy, if donald trump were one of the roundaway boys who seema used to prosecute in the bronx, he would be on his way to jail for obstruction of justice based on his pattern of conduct. let's look at how he treats