no documented recipients past the trump org. additionally, the donald j. trump foundation used the eric trump foundation to funnel $100,000 in donations into revenue for the trump organization. and while donors to the eric trump foundation were told their money was going to help sick kids, more than $500,000 was redonated to other charities, many of which were connected to trump family members or interests. joining me now, olivia nuzzi, washington correspondent for "new york magazine" and daily beast columnist david k. johnson. let me start with you, as an expert on tax law. i imagine there's possibly an explanation for this that could be provided by the foundation, but on its face, this looks to violate the law? >> yes. this is what's known as self-dealing. good as it is that the eric trump foundation provided this money to st. jude, they would have gotten about 15% more, but