>> complete trash. not true. i'm sorry to interrupt you but that's not true. we don't want to give out erroneous facts to american people and msnbc public. >> what would happen. >> finish and then jonathan, you can do. >> i don't like it when carrie uses numbers that aren't good. i'm sorry to have jumped in. you can't be telling people things that are aren't. >> jonathan, you tell us the numbers. how much -- what would have been a change in degree based on the climate accord doing forward. .2 celsius degree reduction was estimate i believe by epa. you tell me if you have a better number. >> it wasn't that number, it was the proceed to the american economy. in terms of reducing emissions because it's a nonbinding treaty and each country will do the best they can, it was a more