and this is at some peril, too, but gets through all that and becomes sort of -- redeems the father's name, the family name. meets ivanka trump. they fall in love. she converts to judaism because he is raised orthodox. his father-in-law runs for president. >> tell us about a rally you write about in the article that was a turning point. >> well, he was -- you know, trump announced in july or something 2015. and i think in september. >> november i've just been told. >> you tell me. >> you wrote it. i read it. >> threw. >> thank you. >> both of us can't conjure it. >> no, springfield, illinois and he goes, and it's the first time he sees this scene, 10,000 people in there, transported. and as he tells it the sort of scales fall from his eyes and he realizes he has been living in a bubble and there is real point