washington, d.c.? willie geist, again, we've been saying this for months now. if there is no there there, then why do they keep lying about things they could tell the truth about and be fine? >> it's possible these meetings were innocuous and part of his duties. but if that's the case, why did you testify they didn't happen under oath, forcing yourself to recuse yourself from this investigation into russia and why did you only admit to the meetings after "the washington post" came out and reported them? again, they create this world where they do things that raise suspicion, and if there's nothing there, why do they continue to deny them and when they know they're not true, julie pace, this isn't the first time with jeff sessions. who knows how many more of these meetings there are? how can he sit january 20th in congress and testify they hadn't happened? >> it's pretty baffling. this extra meeting, this april meeting with kislyak las been