president trump's birtherism claims and i guess how "the observer" was covering it. can you tell us about that? >> jared and i were going back and forth about how the paper should cover trump. one of the things that jared said to me whenever i refused to tone down the coverage or make it gratuitously positive was if you spent more time with him, you would really like him. i said, well, jared, it doesn't matter because that wouldn't affect the paper's coverage. i said i have to be honest with you, there are things that your father-in-law has done that i find deeply disturbing. he said like what? i said, well, the birtherism stuff. i thought it was blatantly racist. jared kind of rolled his eyes and said, oh, elizabeth, he doesn't believe that, he's just saying it because republicans will buy it. and i didn't think that was a more palatable answer. >> and jared was comfortable with that. he was comfortable with the idea trump doesn't believe in birtherism, he's selling, he's playing to the crowd. >> he viewed it as a means to an