how long? >> 40 years, yes. >> did something materially change about your business that this issue has come up now? >> no, not at all. i think lex mark lex mark just way to -- they found a hoop hole in the system, and i think it gave them the idea to come after me and a lot of my contemporaries in our industry, and fortunately i was the one that said i don't think this is right. we're not doing anything wrong here, and j.j. j when you're making a product and you believe in the product and you have employees that you kent to wi kindergarten with or high school with working paycheck to paycheck that have been with you for 20 or 30 years and you want to see them retire with your company, it's not something when a competitor comes in and tells you cease and detist what you're doing because we don't want to