shifted. >> i think that's right. and what you saw after they removed nunes from the house intelligence committee investigation they were starting to move forward and build trust between the two sides. they were starting to put more document requests out there. and then the more they get stone wauled the more you'll see senators saying, no, we really have to do this. we can't let them get away with telling us no. >> you used the words espionage and mole. we have not heard words from anybody part of these committees. is it something that might be said or being discussed behind closed doors? >> i think that's the worst case scenario that people are very concerned about. and they need to find the evidence to find out if it adds up to those kind of charges. >> what would be the evidence needed, you think? >> so in things like this you'd wantd communications that indicate the russians were e exerting control over an asset getting them to do their bidding. and then you're going to want to see that the person has agreed to it, that they are knowing about what the russians are asking. >> so they're going to ask those questions. in the meantime malcolm nance, one of our contributors here as you know intel expert, was