are still coming out and it really is not clear, even for people who were inside the concert as to whether or not this was an actual explosion as in some sort of bomb blast or some other sort of incident. there have also been reports that people really did sort of panic inside that arena once the sound was heard and there was a rush to get out. >> let me tell you -- >> injures could be next to that. >> there was an explosion at the manchester arena, which we know, ariana grande was performing, there were deaths and injuries. still trying to determine if terrorism. no claims of responsibility. that's being told right now. no claims of responsibility and a senior white house official traveling with president trump in jerusalem had not heard of the incident 6:50 p.m. eastern standard time. this news is just developing. but we, at this point, we don't