investigation. that is not something that is focused on prosecution, it's focused on protecting the country from foreign intrusion and stealing of secrets. it's my understanding that what we have been talking about with respect to the russians, for example, is a counterintelligence investigation. so saying that there was obstruction of justice in the counterintelligence investigation related to russia is like saying you're out under the infield fly rule in a football game. you've got the procedures mixed up. and i think the first thing we have to get clear is just exactly what procedure we're talking about, because bouncing back and forth from obstruction of justice arm waving to substantive discussion doesn't work very well. >> ned, how do we get to that clarity. and speaking of chrks the memos.