of the who it noise that comes out of the trump white house at all times. when you start with a hypothetical, maybe there are tapes, maybe there aren't, he has people running off in all directions, the question is, is there a method to that madness? is se distraction one after another immunity to scrutiny by having so many distractions at all times, maybe this is part of it. >> let me add, he previously -- i don't think he suggested it, he said president obama wiretapped him, he did say that. the "wall street journal" reported he used to tape some people in business. there are a lot of different pieces to this. >> i know having interviewed him some during the campaign, his -- not to put too fine a point on it, his fascination with richard nixon is endless and boundless and deep. yeah, he was very interested how nixon operated and that may be part of his standard operating procedure. the difference between this and