deputy attorney general. we've had these special counsel before. you talked about fitzgerald. janet reno when she was attorney general appointed john danforth who was a former u.s. senator at the time to look into the whole thing of what happened in waco with fire at the branch davidian compound. so we have used these special counsel before in high profile moments when it would be a conflict. >> pete williams, nbc news. thank you, as always. appreciate it. >> you bet. >> joining me now leo tadeo, a former special agent in charge at the fbi of special operations and cyber. also back with me malcolm nance, author of "the plot to hack america." it's not flattery to say that both you have gentlemen are perfect to give us some insights given everything today. leo, you heard pete break down how this works. the fbi line agents work in this case aren't going to change either way. but in your view, are there