perhaps. michael, i know lbj wanted in part for leverage to remind people what they had said or promised to him over the phone he always had the transcript if he needed it. if this current president is recording private conversations in the white house other than making himself a huge subpoena target, is there anything wrong with it? is there anything illegal? >> illegal is a question. in terms of shattering precedence and shattering things that presidents have been doing before ever since that day that you just showed with alexander butterfield in july of 1973, nixon had to immediately stop taping and pull out the system and later presidents have all said i will never do such a thing because it reminds people of nixon who behaved badly, but it violates people's civil liberties to record conversations with the president that are supposed to be private