mccarthy a lawyer and who tutored trump in the art of changing the story, going for the headline, fighting wars in the tabloids. the other is rupert murdoch, who helped create that culture in the modern era in new york. and i think that essentially what we're seeing -- and rick has been in this position when he's served the country -- there is this, to use an old watergate phrase, there is an enormous credibility gap. and just one parenthetical. president trump has explained why he did it, but will that be the explanation tomorrow? >> right. and, rick, the reason why it's important to believe that podium and the person standing behind it is tomorrow's briefing, god forbid, may be about a u.s. military action we have taken overnight, overseas. and we may have to detail the satellite evidence that led us to make that decision. it has to be believable just as every word from that podium has to be believable. >> yes. but i would say that with all