special counsel to manage this investigation going forward. i think our critical question has to be, can they really be independent? >> all right. senator chris coons, thank you for making time tonight. joining meow is malcolm nantz and karen greenberg, director of the center on national security at author of "rogue justice, the making the security state." amy, let me begin with you because you worked in a legal position in the department of justice. it strikes me we're sort november unchartered territory here in so far as when is the last time we had an active fbi counterintelligence investigation that had the president's own campaign within its scope and the president fired the fbi director? >> all of these events are clearly unprecedented. it's a sad day for the department of justice. and i did work there for 20 years. i don't like criticizing the department of justice but the department of justice is all