saw donald trump at least throw out during campaign, if not during the presidency? >> well, i think that's the question. indeed on the whole war on islam, pope francis has been much more someone who insist that had there should be dialogue among the world religions. he is not part of some hard push back against islam that goes back to earlier centuries. sometimes the vatican does not have the pope say anything after the meeting. but the secretary of state's office there, or someone in the vatican sends out a signal that says the pope told president trump where he disagreed with him. i think that is going to be the test. not necessarily whether the pope himself says it, although he might. but whether the vatican says something afterward about their areas of disagreement. >> e.j. deion the of "washington post." appreciate your time thank you.