man, he paints and writes and reads. >> and you know, president bush and president obama, they all sort of knew this was a tough job. interesting thing with president trump is the number of times he brings up some reference to who knew it was so hard. that is number one. number two, remember, he had a very solid relationship with the press before he was president, and he didn't face a ton of criticism. he got headlines but ultimately the press was more friendly to him. >> he was an entertainment guy. >> so i think he thought, you get more of that when you're president. and he didn't. he got probably the same amount of adulation and probably a lot more criticism than he was planning on. and i think it's gotta wear on you, no matter who you are. >> do you think there will come a point where he stops looking around in amazement that this has happened? >> probably not. >> will any of us? will the country? >> i wish things were normal enough that those conditions would exist. it does not feel that way right now. >> what does his staff say? i heard one of his very senior