is simplification, simplifying the tax rate and making it easier for families to simplify. i think it's important to get the economy going. i mentioned the budget growth. $70 trillion over the next 30 years. the cause is entitlement spending but the reality is, if lawmakers aren't going to spend it, you have to pay for it at a price tag of 3 to $7 trillion is not realistic. >> all right. i want to talk about the middle class voters. simplicity would be nice but they want to pay less taxes as well. is there any guarantee that the middle class will be hit with higher taxes? >> the devil is in the details