children and our grandchildren. >> let me ask you about this, just from a purely philosophical point of view. i think president trump should turnover his tax returns, by the way. but let's assume that this does give him a great big tax break. let's assume that. but this isn't an executive order. he has to get it through the house and senate. and let's also make the assumption it gives everybody a tax break and it helps every family including the plan, the married couple who made $24,000 a year won't have to pay a dime. if it helps everybody, do you care what it does for the president? >> well, what i care about is what it does to the country and to our debt burden, which is borne by all of us. and, so, i am for tax reform. i am for tax reform that focusses on the middle class and those working their way into the middle class. we need to strengthen and expand the middle class and i put proposals on the table to do this. but the folks at the very top, the millionaires and the billionaires, they don't need an extra tax cut at this point.