militarily for the last 60 years. they have been preparing for the u.s. to come there, and they have 15, 20, 25 nuclear weapons, and they want to, in an end game scenario -- and there's a reason why kim jong-un is the supreme commander there now as opposed to some of his brothers, some of whom are now dead. it's because he went more crazy. he said if push comes to shove, i will use these weapons if we are going to lose a war here. so if we push against that and we rattle the sabers, we have two irresistible force. donald trump said we will solve the problem. today, north korea said we will test nukes when we want to. those two things can't exist at the same time. >> you have the administration flip-flopping. you have to wonder if the flip-flop even on china being a currency manipulator or not is to get backup, to say we need to prepare the region. it all feels like it's moving only in one direction, and that direction is toward hostilities. >> that's the problem, joy, because i actually see a positive step in the meeting