officials whose phone conversations of foreign officials were collected. joining me now is susan hennessy of the national security agency. all right, it's very clear to me now you've got all of the parts of the let's say benghazi industrial complex working to send this idea that the real scandal here is the obama folks spying on the trump campaign, what do you make of it? >> right. so, again, again, they're sort of trying to advance this narrative that the real story is something else, leaks, the fact incidental collection. the issue is that they're describing perfectly legal and what appears to be proper conduct of intelligence activity. the question becomes either their advocating for major intelligence reform, pretty dramatic of the traditional republican tradition on these issues. or they're being offered to distract from the real story.