i was in -- >> let me stop you and restate some of that back to you because you're a tax expert and those of us who just pay taxes and aren't experts, i want to say back to them and see if i get it right. if there weren't the alternative minimum tax -- you can tell from this 1040, from his tax return in 2005, if there weren't an alternative minimum tax he'd be paying what percent? >> it's right on line 44, he would have paid $5.3 million, which is 24% of his $152.7 million of positive income. that's in large part because he was able to say he had negative income of $103 million. >> so because he -- because there is an alternative minimum tax -- >> they disregarded most of the negative income, he had to pay more in taxes but he still got a