we don't have time for the american public and wikileaks is trying to stoke this paranoia and the fun part about it is, on behalf of russian intelligence. why should we believe a thing that this guys says? it steals documents and exposes them and he just benefited isis and al qaeda and everybody else who we could have been collecting against. >> you and i talked about this offline. there is this thing where wikileaks managed to make themselves heroic, but also for the longest time on the left and sort of made themselves heros of transparency. talk about julian assange, is he even a liberal and is he an advocate of transparency or is an anarchist? >> to piggy back on what malcolm said, of course we don't capture intelligence on u.s. persons, look, joy, these things have real impact.