>> what's being set up now is a system where there is certain races that are going to be presumptively in a second class type of environment. and there will be -- there will be a superior race, that is, that is running everything, and so i think that's the concern. >> there will be a see peer yor race that is running everything. now, this comes as washington state attorney general bob ferguson, that man there, who successfully blocked the first travel order, filed papers yesterday asking a judge to halt the new order as well. minnesota and oregon have joined washington state in that challenge. attorneys general in new york and massachusetts say they will join as well. with me now is washington state attorney general bob ferguson joining me for the second time this week. sir, thank you for being with us again. walk me through -- well, last i talked to you, you were reviewing it, you were thinking about it. walk us through what the new