pledged to drain the swamp unlike crooked hillary but ironically they're doing the exact same thing she did when confronted with reports of her private e-mail server. lie dissemble, don't apologize, don't give an inch, if you give an inch you look weak and all it does is build more suspicion because you lie one time or deflect one time and it turns out you re wrong. people say well, what else is there. what sells behind each one of your denials? it's not surprising that they're lying, it's just surprising that the people who said it wouldn't be politics as usual that they would shake things up and not be like the crooked politicians of washington are behaving exactly like the crooked politicians of washington. >> two things i should say. the clinton campaign was defensive and deflected a lot on the e-mails, i'm not sure if they were caught in lies in the way that have been caught here. i'm quite certain they haven't. particularly not the scope of what we've seen here.