some massive iricate collusion that happened through back channels that we're uncovering but every single reaction from the trump campaign and people associated with it which over and over is obfuscation dissembling sets off my alarm. what about you? >> yeah, but it's also at the same time it's the candidate who pledged to drain the swamp unlike crooked hillary but ironically they're doing the exact same thing she did when confronted with reports of her private e-mail server. lie dissemble, don't apologize, don't give an inch, if you give an inch you look weak and all it does is build more suspicion because you lie one time or deflect one time and it turns out you were wrong. people say well, what else is there. what sells behind each one of your denials? it's not surprising that they're lying, it's just surprising that the people who said it wouldn't be politics as usual that they would shake things up and not be like the crooked politicians of