there would be evidence that's lurking behind that would raise the level of this. if there were phone calls in which there's a discussion and somebody said, look if you're asked this question, don't mention these two meetings that would be different issue. i don't think that's likely to emerge and i don't thing that happened. when senator over states the case and says it's perjury and dismisses his answers not true. -- i think there should be objective and she has recused herself from participating in investigation or resolution of this issue. >> thank you for joining us. still ahead reaction from the top strategist. what do inner circle think of