on little countries' rights. little countries have right in the general assembly and the sense of right and wrong. that true? he wants to go back to preworld war ii rules of engagement, rules of power. >> i would disagree a little bit. i think he wants to go to a post world war ii world order. he wants russia to be one of the two great powers. and he wants russia to have the opportunity to expand. his basic instinct is not even so much to grab back everything that the soviet union has, although that would be a good start, but to be expansionist. he is an imperialist. >> what stands in his way now? >> well, what stands in his way now is the european union. >> right. the new structures. the new structures. >> and the american commitment to nato. >> and she wants to see all that come apart? . >> he wants to see it come apart. he wants to sit down with the new american president and divvy up the world again. he has been quite explicit about that. he has offered -- he offered