terrorist activity since 9/11. the other focus of the travel ban is on refugees. i dealt with the refugee issue at the state department. there is nobody who comes into this country, who is more extremely vetted than refugees. it is a two-year process, it involves biometrics, interviews on the spot, family interviews. there is a lot of people in the house and the senate on the republican side who could not get in here as refugees including probably mr. trump himself. >> i mean, you know, the problem, ari, we're looking at, it looks as if they're trying to destroy american foreign relations and foreign policy. they're trying to rip apart our relations with other countries with the muslim world, with our allies in europe, across the board, at the same time they're dismantling the state department. the state department has how many jobs filled now? you probably know. >> dozens. >> but -- >> zero, actually. >> political appointees, other than the secretary of state. >> right. >> omany unfilled.