on discovery of learning about transgender people. and they're learning they're just like anybody else. >> i'm not looking to make excuses of anyone but would you agree with the observation that people haven't gone down that road, their first instinct may be i can't empathize. i don't know what it's like for a transgender young person to deav decide which bathroom to go to. >> i think people should learn more about gavin's case. there are videos online they can check out to learn more about him. i feel like, look, everybody needs to use the rest room. everybody just wants to use a rest room that is safe and comfortable for them. look at gavin grimm. gavin can't use the girl's room. it doesn't make any sense. girl don't want him there. he couldn't possibly go there. that is not a solution. we just have to recognize the reality that transgender children exist, they are in our