myriad conflict of interests. right? >> screaming some where right now. >> those two are trying, they're working hard with the groups they're working with. but of the fact is no one has gained traction on this yet. there is the trump trademark in china. there is the fact that the, the taxpayers are subs digs is the trump kids' travel to do business in the middle east. at some point, some one will catch the attention of a judge. there will be an injunction and ruling. then there will be traction. but for the moment, the only person with standing to do this would have been north stram, they aren't going down the road. >> stephanie, don't know how to put this. you guys have a foot in the news world and a foot in the business news world. it is interesting to hear some one say, he is going to roll back regulation. tonight, at town meetings, signs are fears, consumer end, citizen end of rolling back regulation. what's good for one -- >> extraordinary. wh gary kohn, white house