>> bannon meant with cardinal raymond burke, a real foe of the pope and according to an account from that meeting bonding with this opponent of the pope when he visited the vatican in 2014, has a great story on this kind of croteau fascist thinker. you mentioned putin, by the way, at that event, steve bannon also said at least putin is standing up for traditional institutions and he's trying to do it in a form of nationalism. now bannon did call the regime there cleptocratic and while we're talking about michael flynn, we have to look at steve bannon's attitude towards putin as well. i think you have this fundamental clash the vatican actually was very close to, supported in a broad sense the foreign policy of barack obama. john kerry, former secretary of