maybe something more, violence of some sort, who here in this room feels comfortable picking up 911 and dialing the cops? whoa, whoa. and how many people -- how many people don't feel comfortable? can i talk to you for a second? >> sure. >> tell me your name. >> dimitri roberts. >> you were a chicago police officer for a while? >> i was, many years. >> i thought what ja'mal said was interesting. one of the things that ends up happening when these conversations happen is you watch the resources flow towards police departments. right? i think, frankly, police departments that i've covered around the country are very good pat getting those resources. the argument police departments make is crime is low, we've been beating crime, give us resource so we can keep beating crime. crime is up, we're losing crime, give us resources so we can beat crime. are you confident that policing -- that there is a policing problem or not? >> well, before i answer that question, chris, i have to acknowledge why there's so much