the time recould yscuers arrive some were able to be saved at high tide. joining me now, chris van who wi who wi hollen of maryland, i don't know if you have listened to our coverage. new breaking news regarng mike flynn, the national security adviser. did you hear us reporting that the vice president said what he said about flynn's meating with the russian ambassador because he had a conversation directly with mike flynn who said he did not discuss sanctions. now we have reporting that in fact he did discuss u.s. sanctions against russia in those phone calls. this was all during the obama administration before the trump administration took over. your assessment of that? is this a big deal? not a big deal? >> it is a big deal. this story gets more and more