counselled doesn't mean necessarily anything that terrible. paul, i understand what you think of president's term? >> i think the president doesn't get it. the federal rules say that you cannot use your federal employee position to advance a product. kellyanne conway said go buy ivanka's stuff. that's a textbook violation. and here's why it matters. it is like the white house is paying attention to the trump's businesses. if you're an employee of the united states, thosere the interest that is you are supposed to serve. you are not supposed to be hustling up some money for the boss's daughter. textbook violation. it is really concerning that the president does not understand that. >> and norm, wouldn't the best course of action for a federal employee not to take the question in the first place and asking me about the private business of another federal official, in this case, the president. i don't have anything to add