refugee crisis in syria compared to terrorist attacks. i think you would find probably that the syrian coverage is more deficient than the coverage of terrorist attacks. >> you had a great article in the "new york times" with maggie haberman a couple days ago where you took us behind the scenes in the white house and gave us an idea about what's going on, there's one detail about how they were holding meetings in cabinet rooms, they didn't know how to turn the lights on. that was something that struck out to me. there was a number of interesting details including donald trump watching television. talk to me about the leaks, why are you hearing so much from people inside the white house eager to tell you what's going on? >> well, i think to some extent been it's funny, you know, sean spicer, the press secretary who i've known for years and is a nice guy, pushed back very hard against some of the details that were included in this. truth of the matter is the piece was meant to illustrate the human side of the long time