this executive order is widely interpreted, despite the disavows of the white house, as being an anti-muslim ban. there is nothing that is better positioned to evoke anger amongst muslims around the world and offend countries, muslim majority countries that we would wish to partner with in the fight against isis and many other national security goals. >> how will countries respond to this? >> well, that's very much in play. you mentioned, of course, the conversation with angela merkel. when the chancellor of germany, in effect, has to give a tutorial to the president of the united states on refugees and international conventions, that's not a good sign for u.s. leadership. i have seen -- i haven't been