ratings, and settle scores, rather reel or imagined. >> mine was the fact he was doing this in front. cia wall and the fact this was a place where people, a hallow ground where people talk about serious things in front of the wall. he talked about crowd size. what it signals to me the next four years is going to be him challenge the media, pushing back to delegitimize us. focus on how people view him whether or not he looks likes he winning. the moment he feels he not winning, that's going to sway how he has policy or what decisions are. >> you went substance, they both went style. style and substance do matter for him. >> style may matter more.