redefine where they want to go politically. yet, mary tyler moore took these social issues, her show took the social issues, mary richards and presented them with warmth and smile in a nonthreatening manner. do you think it's easier to do that with issues. >> the humor is not destructive and you follow it up more. >> there a sense of shock. you can't have a conversation about than stuff without somebody deeply defended. a guy who wrote fight club said we are in a have you victorian age where you cannot have conversations without a lot of people on the left, especially. but also on the right. being deeply, deeply offendered and calling you a racist or a bigot or a misogynist or whatever. i go back again.