louis-dreyfus. she's the latest greatest. have women gotten to be more funny? being able to be more funny? >> well, i think women have always been funny on television but in a different way. the original one was lucy with her husband desi but that show was about man against woman and the van dyke show was the first one where it was man and woman together. man and woman against the world and mary was the perfect one for that because she had a grace about her that informed all of us that women not only can be equals but sometimes superior in their opinions and their knowledge of how marriages in the world works. >> you know, when i look at mary tyler moore, for many years i watched her on "the mary tyler moore show" after your show and it was like the delightful show of a saturday night. it kept you home. i think a lot of people stayed