men. >> you've got spunk. [ laughter ] >> well, yes. >> i hate spunk! >> mary tyler moore was 80 years old. i'm joined on the phone by the great carl reiner, a friend of mary tyler moore, he directed "the dick van dyke show" and played alan brady, the guy who was supposed to be the star of the show. he's a mark twain prize winner for humor and everything else, in my book. carl reiner. mr. reiner, sir, why did you pick mary tyler moore to be the start of "the dick van dyke show"? because i was smart like anybody else. anybody who ever had to audition anybody, there was no question about her, the first time i saw i knew she was it. i had already seen 23 people for that role and i told sheldon london, our executive producer "i don't know what i'm looking for." he says "you'll know when you see." and i saw 23 people and actually i went to danny thomas who put up the money and i said "i just