did than rick perry in 2008 and somebody said you're going to be on a panel. i said, no, you better tell him because he and his wife. i went and saw him and he put his arm around me. mr. joe, how are you doing? i said, listen. i was a little tough. he goes, don't worry about it. he gets it. i got to say, though, somebody else in there, al franken, i think, along with bernie sanders. >> yeah. >> they have really, really come to the forefront of the democrats. >> keep your eyes open for al franken the next four years. just watch him. i think he has found -- at first, i think he was uncomfortable bringing his comedic past in the psent and stated that to me at one point years ago. ed, i've been through the dehumanizer of washington and i'll find my humility back. >> we saw that this morning at