it is health care policy, national security, the debt, tax, et cetera, will they be able to maneuver around him? i think the answer to that question is it will depend on jarrod kushner and ivanka donald trump or as i like to call them javanka. they will be donald trump's first and last sounding board in the white house. he will defer to jarrod kushner a little bit and that's the relationship along with steve bannon that will be pivotal. >> if you are mitch mcconnell, just call jarrod. why fight with the middleman. >> we have seen that donald trump has a habit of bringing ivanka or jarrod kushner to meetings in the sense they provide assistance to him and understanding in what is going on in interviewing the late wayne barrett or tony schwartz