those civil rights cases is enough to give him credit for those things. do you think that the confirmation process is subtle enough and thorough enough that these things will be teased out and that he won't be given credit for these things that he is claiming credit for? >> well, in 1986 when he was nominated to be a federal judge, the senate judiciary committee, which was the controlled by repuicans also did give the opportunity for issues to be teased out. and when they were teased out, they found out that he had been racially insensitive in a number of comments that he had made, and his civil rights record was really questionable. and some republicans on the committee made it clear that they just couldn't support him. now you make a good point that in the senate there is a lot of camaraderie among the senators and it's very difficult. in fact, when i testified in 1986, senator biden said he would find it very hard to vote against one of his colleagues if they were up for a federal judgeship. well, i understand that, but i think they have a responsibility to really listen to all the facts and the evidence.